I am a bit late … Nevertheless, two remarks on the proof of Lemma 8.5:
- On p. 121, line -3, the left hand side should be divided by m(x).
- On p. 122, line 4, it should read b(x,y)(u(x)f(x)−u(y)f(y)).
In Corollary 8.8 (p. 123) it should read
…≥Qu(φ/u)≥0,
since Theorem 8.7 yields =Qu(φ/u) in line 6 of the proof (of Corollary 8.8). Moreover, this is what is written in the proof of Theorem 8.10 (p. 124, line 17).
Best, Peer
Christian Seifert, 2023/01/30 16:38
Dear Peer,
Many thanks for spotting the typos!
Best,
Christian
Patrizio Bifulco, 2023/01/27 09:40
Dear lecturers,
many thanks for this very interesting lecture!
In Bonus Exercise 1, I believe you want the graph to be connected and u non-trivial, right?
Otherwise, in the case that the underlying graph is not connected, one can consider a graph with three vertices x,y,z and one edge connecting two of them, say x and y (and no potential, i.e. c≡0). Then for u given by u(x)=u(y)=1 and u(z)=0 and w=1−u we get (L−w)u=0 but also 0=Deg(z)<w(z)=1.
In the case that u≡0, one can consider a path graph with two vertices and standard weights and just choose w:X→R larger than 1 in one of the vertices.
Best wishes,
Patrizio
Christian Seifert, 2023/01/30 16:33
Dear Patrizio,
Many thanks; your are right soncerning the two assumptions.
Best,
Christian
Joachim Hofmann, 2023/01/18 11:57
Dear all,
first of all thanks for the new lecture to the organisers. I have the following problem:
In the last part of proof of Theorem 8.1 respectively in Remark 8.2 it is not clear to me why there is no non-trivial supersolution for λ=deg(x)m(x) in the case where the infimum is not attained.
And does non-trivial also mean non-constant? Because if we allow constants I think I found the following counter-example:
Let X:=N, b(x,y):=|x−y|, if |x−y|=1 and 0 otherwise, m(x):=x as well as c=0. Then infx∈Xdeg(x)m(x)=0 is not attained but for λ=0 any positive constant function u satisfies (L−λ)u=0, i.e. u is a supersolution.
you are correct, there is a mistake in the text. By a non-trvial supersolution we mean a supersolution f≠0. In this sense constant functions are non-trivial.
The following is true: In the proof of Theorem 8.1 we show that if there is a nontrivial supersolution to λ, then deg(x)/m(x)>λ for every x∈X (this uses connectedness of the graph).
At the end of the proof of Theorem 8.1 one needs to justify that for any path x0,…,xn from x to x∗ the constant
Cx,x∗(λ)=∏n−1j=0deg(xj)−λm(xj)b(xj,xj+1)
is positive for 'relevant' λ, i.e., for λ with a non-trivial supersolution. But this is guaranteed by the observation deg(x)/m(x)>λ for every x∈X if there exists a non-trivial supersolution to λ.
My argument also shows that if λ>infx∈Xdeg(x)/m(x), then there is no non-trivial supersolution to λ. Hence, Remark 8.2 should be adjusted.
Best
Marcel
Anna Muranova, 2023/01/17 20:03
Dear lecturers,
thank you for the lecture!
1. I suspect that in Lemma 8.5 it should be Lu=Lbu,u2wm,u2m
instead Lu=Lbu,u2w,u2m (i.e. one m is missing on the rhs), isn't it? Then in the first equation in the proof there should be additionally m(x) on the l.h.s.
2. Is the fact that (L−λ)−11o in the very beginning of the proof of Theorem 8.10 obvious or mentioned somewher before?
3 Shoudn't at the end of the proof of Theorem 9.7 be w(x):=1v(x)Lv(x) (without m(x))?
Best,
Anna
With the best wishes,
Anna
Joachim Hofmann, 2023/01/18 11:33
Dear Anna,
1. I think you are right about this one.
2. Do you mean that (L−λ)−11o is non-trivial and positive? That would be because the graph is assumed to be connected so that the resolvent (L−λ)−1 is positivity improving.
3. I was asking myself the same question. The funtcion w defined in the proof of Theorem 9.7 is the function w that we need for (ii) in Theorem 9.7 and not the function to which we apply Theorem 8.7. For the application of Theorem 8.7 we need the funtion ~w(x):=1v(x)Lv(x), as you mentioned yourself.
Concerning 3: The usage of w in the proof of Theorem 9.7 and Theorem 8.7 is indeed not consistent but this is just a matter of scaling. Since m is strictly positive, in the formulation of Theorem 9.7 one could replace (ii) by the following:
(ii)' There exists a non-trivial w≥0 such that
Q(φ)≥∑x∈Xφ(x)2w(x)m(x)
for all φ∈Cc(X).
With this convention w in the proof of Theorem~9.7 and in the Theorem on the ground state transform are compatible.
Personally I prefer (ii)' because (ii) somehow treats the counting measure as the canonical underlying measure on a discrete space, whereas (ii)' refers to the measure m, which is also utilized when defining the Green function. Even though recurrence/transience does not depend on the choice of the measure, (ii)' is more in line with the philosophy that Qb,c on ℓ2(X,m) is a toy model for regular Dirichlet forms, where in general one does not have a distinguished measure on the underlying space.
Best
Marcel
discussion/lecture10.txt · Last modified: 2022/11/15 18:11 by matcs
Discussion on Lecture 10
Dear lecturers,
I am a bit late … Nevertheless, two remarks on the proof of Lemma 8.5:
- On p. 121, line -3, the left hand side should be divided by m(x).
- On p. 122, line 4, it should read b(x,y)(u(x)f(x)−u(y)f(y)).
In Corollary 8.8 (p. 123) it should read …≥Qu(φ/u)≥0, since Theorem 8.7 yields =Qu(φ/u) in line 6 of the proof (of Corollary 8.8). Moreover, this is what is written in the proof of Theorem 8.10 (p. 124, line 17).
Best, Peer
Dear Peer,
Many thanks for spotting the typos!
Best, Christian
Dear lecturers,
many thanks for this very interesting lecture!
In Bonus Exercise 1, I believe you want the graph to be connected and u non-trivial, right?
Otherwise, in the case that the underlying graph is not connected, one can consider a graph with three vertices x,y,z and one edge connecting two of them, say x and y (and no potential, i.e. c≡0). Then for u given by u(x)=u(y)=1 and u(z)=0 and w=1−u we get (L−w)u=0 but also 0=Deg(z)<w(z)=1.
In the case that u≡0, one can consider a path graph with two vertices and standard weights and just choose w:X→R larger than 1 in one of the vertices.
Best wishes, Patrizio
Dear Patrizio,
Many thanks; your are right soncerning the two assumptions.
Best, Christian
Dear all,
first of all thanks for the new lecture to the organisers. I have the following problem: In the last part of proof of Theorem 8.1 respectively in Remark 8.2 it is not clear to me why there is no non-trivial supersolution for λ=deg(x)m(x) in the case where the infimum is not attained.
And does non-trivial also mean non-constant? Because if we allow constants I think I found the following counter-example: Let X:=N, b(x,y):=|x−y|, if |x−y|=1 and 0 otherwise, m(x):=x as well as c=0. Then infx∈Xdeg(x)m(x)=0 is not attained but for λ=0 any positive constant function u satisfies (L−λ)u=0, i.e. u is a supersolution.
Best, Joachim.
Dear Joachim,
you are correct, there is a mistake in the text. By a non-trvial supersolution we mean a supersolution f≠0. In this sense constant functions are non-trivial.
The following is true: In the proof of Theorem 8.1 we show that if there is a nontrivial supersolution to λ, then deg(x)/m(x)>λ for every x∈X (this uses connectedness of the graph).
At the end of the proof of Theorem 8.1 one needs to justify that for any path x0,…,xn from x to x∗ the constant
Cx,x∗(λ)=∏n−1j=0deg(xj)−λm(xj)b(xj,xj+1)
is positive for 'relevant' λ, i.e., for λ with a non-trivial supersolution. But this is guaranteed by the observation deg(x)/m(x)>λ for every x∈X if there exists a non-trivial supersolution to λ.
My argument also shows that if λ>infx∈Xdeg(x)/m(x), then there is no non-trivial supersolution to λ. Hence, Remark 8.2 should be adjusted.
Best Marcel
Dear lecturers,
thank you for the lecture!
1. I suspect that in Lemma 8.5 it should be Lu=Lbu,u2wm,u2m instead Lu=Lbu,u2w,u2m (i.e. one m is missing on the rhs), isn't it? Then in the first equation in the proof there should be additionally m(x) on the l.h.s.
2. Is the fact that (L−λ)−11o in the very beginning of the proof of Theorem 8.10 obvious or mentioned somewher before?
3 Shoudn't at the end of the proof of Theorem 9.7 be w(x):=1v(x)Lv(x) (without m(x))?
Best, Anna
With the best wishes, Anna
Dear Anna,
1. I think you are right about this one.
2. Do you mean that (L−λ)−11o is non-trivial and positive? That would be because the graph is assumed to be connected so that the resolvent (L−λ)−1 is positivity improving.
3. I was asking myself the same question. The funtcion w defined in the proof of Theorem 9.7 is the function w that we need for (ii) in Theorem 9.7 and not the function to which we apply Theorem 8.7. For the application of Theorem 8.7 we need the funtion ~w(x):=1v(x)Lv(x), as you mentioned yourself.
Best, Joachim
Dear Anna and Joachim,
I think Joachim's answers are correct.
Concerning 3: The usage of w in the proof of Theorem 9.7 and Theorem 8.7 is indeed not consistent but this is just a matter of scaling. Since m is strictly positive, in the formulation of Theorem 9.7 one could replace (ii) by the following:
(ii)' There exists a non-trivial w≥0 such that
Q(φ)≥∑x∈Xφ(x)2w(x)m(x)
for all φ∈Cc(X).
With this convention w in the proof of Theorem~9.7 and in the Theorem on the ground state transform are compatible.
Personally I prefer (ii)' because (ii) somehow treats the counting measure as the canonical underlying measure on a discrete space, whereas (ii)' refers to the measure m, which is also utilized when defining the Green function. Even though recurrence/transience does not depend on the choice of the measure, (ii)' is more in line with the philosophy that Qb,c on ℓ2(X,m) is a toy model for regular Dirichlet forms, where in general one does not have a distinguished measure on the underlying space.
Best Marcel