once more a late comment, this time on the proof of Theorem 11.2.1. (It occurred to me in connection with the preparation for project M.) It seems to me that the proof is unnecessarily complicated, once one has proved Lemma 11.2.2.
In Lemma 11.2.2 it is not explicitly mentioned that the function T is also holomorphic on CRe>−ρ0. (This is used anyway in the proof in the Lecture Notes.) This means that T is a material law with sb(T)≤−ρ0. Hence T(∂t,ν)∈L(L2,ν(R;H)) for all ν>−ρ0. Also, Sν=T(∂t,ν) for ν>0 (with Sν from Theorem 11.2.1, i.e., from Picard's theorem). Now, from Theorem 5.3.5 we know that T(∂t,ν) and T(∂t,μ) coincide on the intersection of L2,ν(R;H) and L2,μ(R;H), for all μ,ν>sb(T). This implies that, for ν>0, ρ∈[0,ρ0), f∈L2,ν(R;H)∩L2,−ρ(R;H), one has
Sνf=T(∂t,−ρ)f∈L2,−ρ(R;H).
This shows the asserted exponential stability.
Best wishes, Jürgen
Sascha Trostorff, 2020/06/18 15:46
Dear Jürgen,
thanks a lot for your comment. Of course, you are completely right and we will change the proof according to your suggestion.
Best regards
Sascha
Jürgen Voigt, 2020/05/25 14:51, 2020/05/25 14:51
Dear virtual lecturers,
once more concerning the proof of Prop. 11.12: It might well be that the inclusion
Sν∂t,ν⊆∂t,νSν
(stated on line 3 of the proof)
will not be immediately clear to all readers. Here is the argument: If S is the material law for Sν, then
∂−1t,νSν=Sν∂−1t,ν,
because both sides correspond to the material law 1zS(z). This implies that the range of the right hand side is contained in dom(∂t,ν), and
Sν=∂t,νSν∂−1t,ν.
Composing on the right by ∂t,ν one obtains
Sν∂t,ν=∂t,νSν∂−1t,ν∂t,ν=∂t,νSν∣dom(∂t,ν)⊆∂t,νSν.
Best wishes, Jürgen
Jürgen Voigt, 2020/01/21 00:26
Dear virtual lecturers,
concerning the proof of Theorem 11.2.1: I think that one cannot understand the part beginning with “Let T(⋅) be as in Lemma 11.2.2.”, if one has not in mind the proof of Theorem 6.3.1 (Picard). As I understand, you want to use that the operator Sν, written out in the formula lines 3, 4, and 5 on p. 139, is just N(∂t,ν), where N(z):=T(z)−1 (and where T(z) corresponds to B(z) in the proof of Theorem 6.3.1). Without this information, I wouldn't know how to derive the formula line 5 on this page.
Concerning the idea of the proof, I suggest to show that Sν∈L(L2,ν∩L2,−ρ(R)), by showing that Sν is bounded on {u∈L2,−ρ(R);sptu bounded below}, and using that the latter space is dense in L2,ν∩L2,−ρ(R). (In the proof of the boundedness your manipulations with the functions Un would be needed!) Would you agree that this would also work?
Best wishes, Jürgen
Sascha Trostorff, 2020/01/21 10:01
Dear Jürgen,
yes, you are right. It would definitely be helpful to recall the relation of T(⋅) and the solution operator to derive the stated formulas. Thank you!
Concerning your second idea for the proof of Theorem 11.2.1, I think this should work (and is more or less what we have done) and would give the proof a better structure. Thanks again.
Best regards
Sascha
Jürgen Voigt, 2020/01/18 22:59, 2020/01/18 23:06
Dear all,
just two comments.
Concerning the proof of Prop. 11.1.2: To see that Sν=S(∂t,ν) for some material law, one might quote Theorem 8.2.1. However, as Marcus pointed out to me, it also is part of the proof of Picard's theorem (Thm 6.2.1) that ∂t,ν corresponds to the material law N on p. 76.
Concerning the proof of Lemma 11.2.2: I was a bit puzzled by the expression on the first line of (11.2), coming out of thin air. I would like to offer a way to understand better what is happening here.
Writing out the relation T(z)(u,v)=(f,g) one obtains two equations
zM0u−C∗v=f,Cu+M1(z)v=g.
In order to eliminate v I multiply the first line by (C∗)−1, the second by M1(z)−1:
z(C∗)−1M0u−v=(C∗)−1f,M1(z)−1Cu+v=M1(z)−1g.
Adding these two equations and retaining the second equation in the first system above I get an equivalent system
(z(C∗)−1M0C−1+M1(z)−1)Cu=(C∗)−1f+M1(z)−1g,M1(z)v=g−Cu
and this is (11.2). Now one shows - as in the middle of p. 138 - that S(z) is
invertible in L(H1) and then gets that (u,v) is uniquely determined as on the lines beginning by u:= and v:= in the Lecture Notes. (Note: Instead of retaining the second equation one also could have retained the first equation zM0u−C∗v=f in the first system. Then one would have obtained v:=(C∗)−1(zM0u−f), and it would have become clear that v∈dom(C∗).)
Best wishes, Jürgen
Sascha Trostorff, 2020/01/19 19:49
Dear Jürgen,
thanks for your remarks. Indeed, that was also my way to obtain system (11.2) and it is a good idea to do it in that way also in the lecture notes.
Best regards
Sascha
Sascha Trostorff, 2020/01/15 14:33
Dear all,
there is a small misprint in Exercise 11.4. In the second equality of (11.7) there is a minus sign missing, so the correct expression should be
q=−(1−k∗)grad0θ.
Best regards
Sascha
discussion/lecture_11.txt · Last modified: 2019/10/21 17:01 by matcs
Discussion on Lecture 11
Dear virtual lecturers,
once more a late comment, this time on the proof of Theorem 11.2.1. (It occurred to me in connection with the preparation for project M.) It seems to me that the proof is unnecessarily complicated, once one has proved Lemma 11.2.2.
In Lemma 11.2.2 it is not explicitly mentioned that the function T is also holomorphic on CRe>−ρ0. (This is used anyway in the proof in the Lecture Notes.) This means that T is a material law with sb(T)≤−ρ0. Hence T(∂t,ν)∈L(L2,ν(R;H)) for all ν>−ρ0. Also, Sν=T(∂t,ν) for ν>0 (with Sν from Theorem 11.2.1, i.e., from Picard's theorem). Now, from Theorem 5.3.5 we know that T(∂t,ν) and T(∂t,μ) coincide on the intersection of L2,ν(R;H) and L2,μ(R;H), for all μ,ν>sb(T). This implies that, for ν>0, ρ∈[0,ρ0), f∈L2,ν(R;H)∩L2,−ρ(R;H), one has Sνf=T(∂t,−ρ)f∈L2,−ρ(R;H).
This shows the asserted exponential stability.
Best wishes, Jürgen
Dear Jürgen,
thanks a lot for your comment. Of course, you are completely right and we will change the proof according to your suggestion.
Best regards
Sascha
Dear virtual lecturers,
once more concerning the proof of Prop. 11.12: It might well be that the inclusion Sν∂t,ν⊆∂t,νSν (stated on line 3 of the proof) will not be immediately clear to all readers. Here is the argument: If S is the material law for Sν, then ∂−1t,νSν=Sν∂−1t,ν, because both sides correspond to the material law 1zS(z). This implies that the range of the right hand side is contained in dom(∂t,ν), and Sν=∂t,νSν∂−1t,ν. Composing on the right by ∂t,ν one obtains Sν∂t,ν=∂t,νSν∂−1t,ν∂t,ν=∂t,νSν∣dom(∂t,ν)⊆∂t,νSν.
Best wishes, Jürgen
Dear virtual lecturers,
concerning the proof of Theorem 11.2.1: I think that one cannot understand the part beginning with “Let T(⋅) be as in Lemma 11.2.2.”, if one has not in mind the proof of Theorem 6.3.1 (Picard). As I understand, you want to use that the operator Sν, written out in the formula lines 3, 4, and 5 on p. 139, is just N(∂t,ν), where N(z):=T(z)−1 (and where T(z) corresponds to B(z) in the proof of Theorem 6.3.1). Without this information, I wouldn't know how to derive the formula line 5 on this page.
Concerning the idea of the proof, I suggest to show that Sν∈L(L2,ν∩L2,−ρ(R)), by showing that Sν is bounded on {u∈L2,−ρ(R);sptu bounded below}, and using that the latter space is dense in L2,ν∩L2,−ρ(R). (In the proof of the boundedness your manipulations with the functions Un would be needed!) Would you agree that this would also work?
Best wishes, Jürgen
Dear Jürgen,
yes, you are right. It would definitely be helpful to recall the relation of T(⋅) and the solution operator to derive the stated formulas. Thank you!
Concerning your second idea for the proof of Theorem 11.2.1, I think this should work (and is more or less what we have done) and would give the proof a better structure. Thanks again.
Best regards
Sascha
Dear all,
just two comments.
Concerning the proof of Prop. 11.1.2: To see that Sν=S(∂t,ν) for some material law, one might quote Theorem 8.2.1. However, as Marcus pointed out to me, it also is part of the proof of Picard's theorem (Thm 6.2.1) that ∂t,ν corresponds to the material law N on p. 76.
Concerning the proof of Lemma 11.2.2: I was a bit puzzled by the expression on the first line of (11.2), coming out of thin air. I would like to offer a way to understand better what is happening here.
Writing out the relation T(z)(u,v)=(f,g) one obtains two equations zM0u−C∗v=f,Cu+M1(z)v=g. In order to eliminate v I multiply the first line by (C∗)−1, the second by M1(z)−1: z(C∗)−1M0u−v=(C∗)−1f,M1(z)−1Cu+v=M1(z)−1g. Adding these two equations and retaining the second equation in the first system above I get an equivalent system (z(C∗)−1M0C−1+M1(z)−1)Cu=(C∗)−1f+M1(z)−1g,M1(z)v=g−Cu and this is (11.2). Now one shows - as in the middle of p. 138 - that S(z) is invertible in L(H1) and then gets that (u,v) is uniquely determined as on the lines beginning by u:= and v:= in the Lecture Notes. (Note: Instead of retaining the second equation one also could have retained the first equation zM0u−C∗v=f in the first system. Then one would have obtained v:=(C∗)−1(zM0u−f), and it would have become clear that v∈dom(C∗).)
Best wishes, Jürgen
Dear Jürgen,
thanks for your remarks. Indeed, that was also my way to obtain system (11.2) and it is a good idea to do it in that way also in the lecture notes.
Best regards
Sascha
Dear all,
there is a small misprint in Exercise 11.4. In the second equality of (11.7) there is a minus sign missing, so the correct expression should be q=−(1−k∗)grad0θ.
Best regards
Sascha